you shouldn't be giving so much money to defense contractors. there are places to cut, but we can't have a discussion on where to cut because republicans have gotten themselves so far out on this one tiny issue. they want to fight and die on the hill, i think it's bad for them and bad for the country. >> anderson, it used to be about balance. there's nothing balanced. >> this is balanced. >> it's all taxes now. we can't even begin to talk about -- hold on, van. >> we can -- >> hold on. van, van, hold on. you don't get to interrupt all the time. the president used to say we need a balanced plan that includes taxes and spending. now they're saying we can't talk about spending until we have taxes. that's a change in position. that's one of the reasons the mood in washington is so bad. the president has the leverage, he's got the upper hand, but he's also poisoning the well. >> the final thought from you, van, and then we have to go. >> i think the president is taking a balanced approach. we are talking about spending cuts. the problem i think we ha